People need to realize you can use alternatives
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You could always create an account for your username on multiple popular servers if you wanted to. Can’t stop it on small servers but having multiple accounts in the Fediverse is not a crime.
Nah, I can’t see any reason to make more than one account.
agreed
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Why would you need more than one?
Just if you wanted more than one. Just like u/kadu said about email. It’s like if you had your email on Google, Yahoo, and Hotmail. I know a lot of people have an alt on platforms like Discord too.
I know, look at the usernames of the replies
I hate Discord with a passion. Can’t wait for https://github.com/vector-im/element-call to be done so I can leave that behind.
I hate element so much on mobile (and desktop, but not as much). I’ve been planning on making my own Matrix client for a while.
If you can do better I’d be glad to migrate! :) As long as it is a matrix spec compliant client we don’t even need to agree which one is better so there’s that.
I sometimes have problems with notifications not going away and I hate that custom ephemeral messages hasn’t been merged but that’s about it I must say. (Multiaccount would be nice to separate work and private a little)
Wow, posting on some of the bigger instances was really slow. I guess the influx of users has caused that
It can be useful in case whatever instance you’re using defederate or is defederated by another instance you want to participate in. It’s also useful in case your instance goes the way of the dodo and shut down.
Look at the usernames in the replies
The documentation explaining how fediverse works is so bad. It’s so long and convoluted anyone new just can’t be bothered reading it.
bro’ i didn’t even knew that there was a documentation
https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/index.html
No, one will read that
We need a way simpler cheat sheet to get people in and leave that documentation for later
Someone posted a good infographic about the fediverse over on kbin in RedditMigration (another complicated wrinkle in this whole fediverse thing) that did a great job explaining this whole fediverse thing.
If only I could link it.
Edit: jerboa editor doing me dirty
Docu-what now?
Seriously, if the average user needs to understand distributed systems to play in the fediverse pool, they are going to land back at Reddit. Just get people in the door (any door) and fight the technical debt that creates later.
Sure, it’s a shit plan. But, it’s the only way to really capitalise on the current moment. With both Twitter and Reddit blasting away at their own feet, there is a real opportunity for something better to step up. The fediverse can be that thing. But, not if people end up gatekeeping it. Less Stallman style, “RTFM!” And more, “hey, welcome. Let’s get you set up.”
Well, that’s my point. We need a cheat sheet easy to read that gives most of the necessary information to create an account and use different instances and how to post from one to another.
https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/index.html is good but way too much for newcomers
I agree, the first page is already too much text, where is the easy to consume infographic explaining it in comic style? :/
It doesn’t help that there are pictures, but they’re failing to load atm.
Idk what’s going on, I just know I’m ready for open source options. I’m signed up here and mastodon now and plan to use the duration of the reddit strike to learn more about these platforms, delete my activity on others, and slowly build communities so I’m not reliant on others for news and learning.
I don’t think it’s too difficult to figure out. Seems more like a matter of shifting activity to keep people engaged. I’m far from tech literate, though.
Yeah. It needs to be explained much better. Compare it to email or something
I recognize it’s easier said than done obviously and I don’t have a good solution to propose; but if there was a way to make the app UI more user friendly it might help the understandability of the fediverse and subsequently lower the barrier to entry. Unless someone can figure out how to make it more seemless of an experience, it’s gonna be hard to get massive traction
I tried to make an account on lemmy.ml and it looks like their servers are (understandably) overloaded
I ended up choosing lemmy.world instead
My understanding is I’m not missing out on anything by chosing a less-popular instance. Did I get that right?
yes!
lemmy.world in particular doesn’t block any instances
see for comparison:
Oof, I can see why some of those instances are blocked, though. Since I’m on Beehaw, I checked their block list and…wow. Scrolled through each one for a few minutes and now I’m hoping I’m not on some kind FBI list for it. A few highlights from my research expedition:
- A meme featuring various characters (MLP, Vaporeon, Peter Griffin, etc) unironically mourning Ted Kaczynski
- NSFL gore
- People calling for the execution of cops who stopped rioters on Jan 6
- SO. MUCH. LOLICON.
- “Hahaha look at this WOKE LIB 🤣🤣🤣”
- QANON. QANON EVERYWHERE.
I was only on each one for a minute or so. I don’t think I’m missing out on anything except maybe being put on some kind of list.
same, I’m on Sopuli and their Blocklist is pretty short but has the worst ones.
they are really, really bad and some are straight up illegal in some countries.
Mostly far-right ones, straight up terrorism (seriously there are people with RAF and other terrorist organization’s logos on their profile pics there), nsfl gore videos (like people dying and being tortured type of stuff), and nsfw ones full of underage anime girls in suggestive poses…
lemmygrad is probably the worst one out of all of them, just because of it’s size (tankie terrorist group)
Lemmy grad is my favorite.
I’ve just finally caved in and visited lemmygrad for the first time and oh, boy! I’ve heard the sound of my grey matter atrophy
I haven’t blocked anything on my instance yet since I haven’t encountered that but maybe I should copy sopuli’s blocklist.
lemmygrad is probably the worst one out of all of them, just because of it’s size (tankie terrorist group)
Now that’s some new far-right apologism I’ve never seen before, I’m rather happy with lemmygrad being the big one and not some place like evropa.ss lmao
One fascist is one too many either way
same, I’m on Sopuli and their Blocklist is pretty short but has the worst ones.
they are really, really bad and some are straight up illegal in some countries.
Mostly far-right ones, straight up terrorism (seriously there are people with RAF and other terrorist organization’s logos on their profile pics there), nsfl gore videos (like people dying and being tortured type of stuff), and nsfw ones full of underage anime girls in suggestive poses…
lemmygrad is probably the worst one out of all of them, just because of it’s size (tankie terrorist group)
Ah yes. There’s far-right terrorism, NSFL gore, CSAM, but it’s the commies that are “the worst one out of all of them.”
Even if you wouldn’t like it, the cool thing here is you can decide for yourself. If… you feel the need to do so.
I saw how long the list is and got kinda concerned I might miss out on content since I’m on beehaw, but now it just sounds like I’m getting sheltered from all the internet wackjobs lol
tbf people just wanna sign up and click on funny links, not browse through 100 rando instances to find the one that lines up with their exact interests and wait for approval and worry about uptime and whether their instance will still exist in a year
I feel that, while lemmy is still a work in progress, it is already pretty adequate for solving this need. If you want to subscribe to other instances you can do it from within your insance by going up to communities and searching. You can also click the all tab and see a bunch of instances from around lemmy that your instance is federated with.
I think mastadon struggled with this because the twitter model is to follow people and depending how far removed the servers are this can be trickier. Compared to lemmy where people interested in a single subject will likely target and find the subject theyre interested in and bring themselves together naturally.
Furthermore I think some people are splitting up and dividing into sub instances and tiny subjects a little prematurely. Reddit didnt get super esoteric with it’s subs until it got big and the larger subs either declined or got too noisy to talk about certain things. Like for example how beehaw has an operatingsystems instance instead of a linux, ubuntu, macos, windows, fedora, archinux, opensuse, openbsd, etc. Right now there arent enough of us that we dont need to subdivide.
I’ve seen people literally signing up here just to make like 50 empty communities and not post or comment on anything at all. Definitely a lot of folks just trying to stake some territory that they think will be valuable in the future.
Im sure some of it is staking out territory, but I think a good chunk of it is just that modern reddit mindset. The mindset is that of course you cant have good gaming discussion on gaming you need to have truegaming, and games, and linux_gaming, and patientgamers, and etc. The thing is you can and things are small enough on all instances even lemmy.ml and beehaw that you can talk about it in one place.
The reason reddit had so many is that it would rapidly homogenise into giant echo chambers with minimal community. Minority perspectives were supressed or drowned out by lurker voting.
New subs were being made to recapture giant subs’ original intentions, or specialise, yo put minority perspectives of the Hot page and curate a community as a result.
Lemmy isn’t big enough to homogenise like that, at least not yet.
Good thing this is pretty pointless, since I can have the same community name in another instance.
I’m pretty confident we’ll eventually see some form of voluntary synchronization between identical communities added to either the codebase or a popular client app. “Owning” an individual instance’s community will be worthless.
(Wish I had the !remindme bot right now)
I like how Beehaw is doing it. Slowly introducing new servers as there is demand for it.
I also like the beehaw has a mission for community in mind, supported by having an application process; and their having prepared umbrella communities that will prevent echo chambers.
Beehaw is definitely getting hammered too though; it’s probably the second- or third-largest instance atm.
Beehaw is most definitely an echo chamber.
Let me see if I underatand this correctly:
If I create an account on a random, small instance. And then go to the “all communities” feed. I can automatically see all communities that are in my instance. In addition to that, I can see all communities of other Lemmy instances, that are “federated”. But I cannot see other communities from other nstances, unless I go on there, find the communitis and manually subscribe to them (I believe there are other ways to get them to show up, like using the search etc.?)
So, as a normal user. Who’s just looking for a replacement for /r/all, wouldn’t joining the largest lemmy instance that is fedarated to many others (Just by how many users it has, because it’s the users who link instances by their actions?) make perfect sense?
Very true. It would be sad to build up a persona on a smaller instance to then have it go dark and take your user with it. Other than losing your collection of “upvotes,” you can just recreate a new user with the same display name on another instance and keep going. 👍
Holy crap, you can do Slack style emoticons? Huzzah! 🎉
IDK, beehaw.org and lemmy.world aren’t doing too bad
World crew
Commenting from beehaw here! I still am figuring out what’s what but super happy!
World here. I have no idea how to even Guage that lol. I wish there was a list of popular subs in sidebar. Having to type them in or search is annoying, but we’ll figure it out. So far I found 3 communities I was in before so that’s cool. I’m still figuring this out. It’s been about 1hr since I joined lol.
Check this out, they made a map:
I just got plugged into the matrix 😎
Same.
Awesome, thanks for the link :)
I chose lemmy.ml based on two things:
- I wanted a server that wasn’t likely to close I don’t really know for sure, but I imagine it’s easy to underestimate how much money or time is required to run a server. And I’d really prefer not having to worry about migrating. The ‘run by Lemmy’s developers’ part makes me think that either the risk will be lower or the people running the server will know how to prevent reaching a point like that.
- I didn’t want to join a very specific instance As I see it, there are two possible scenarios:
- The instance I join will affect the content I’m exposed (and not exposed) to, in which case I want to experience ‘the whole internet’ rather than a section of it.
- The instance I choose is irrelevant to the content I get, in which case, (apart from community rules) it shouldn’t really matter which one I choose, so I would just join the biggest instance.
Still something that could help with the choosing-an-instance process is to display in the list of servers the community rules and if they are blocking certain communities.
“I just want to be where the people are” 🧜♀️
I use lemmy.world. they have an associated mastodon as well.
I created my account at sh.itjust.works but I don’t fully understand Lemmy yet. Finding communities seems confusing.
You have basic serach here: https://browse.feddit.de/ they index all communities on known instances.
Thanks! And to participate in a community from another instance, do I need to visit it using my instance? Or can I log in in different instances using the same account?
Log into your own instance, and use that to navigate and you will be able to do everything
The search there is awful. They look at the title of the community but not its url name.
Like https://lemmy.ml/c/habs doesn’t show up if you look for habs but show up if you look for Les Canadiens de Montréal
this is great, doesn’t seems to work flawless buy hey, great start
+1 for sh.itjust.works no wait for approval and a bit active. I tried to start a community but it didn’t work, but then I searched for the communit (audiobooks) and there was one already on lemmy.ml so all good in the end!
Tbf i got approved in less then a minute
lemmy.world unite!
I definitely didnt pick sh.it just.works for the funny name, naaaaaaaaah
Idk why anyone would use the main instance and choose to be admined by genocide denying tankies
What does this mean?
Is Lemmy made by them?
The people who run lemmy.ml also run lemmygrad.ml and that second one has a fair amount of communist propaganda. I’m not talking about stuff like “workers unite!” I’m taking about stuff like “actually no one was killed at tiananmen square and if anyone was it was soldiers who were killed by those unruly students and not the other way around.”
This wouldn’t be so bad, except that they federate Lemmygrad so the main instance will occasionally get to see literal propaganda that the admins won’t take down.
I dont understand why it bothers you so much. Why do you need to have the same political views as people who run an instance?
It doesnt even bother me that people have those opinions. You know how much stuff from the US that is complete lies and propaganda? You probably dont even notice if you are used to it. :)
Its just the world we live in. There are no good countries. The US shot down hundreds or thousands of civilians using drones just routinely, not seeing them as humans.
I think its best to just focus on our lives and not try to act as forum soldiers for the countries we happen to live in. They are all bad.
No one is saying that the US is good though.
Exactly because of what you said in your last paragraph, some don’t want to use an instance run by people with a certain political agenda.
I think its a mistake.
We already divided the earth into countries, and now we are supposed to divide ourselves in the fediverse also because we cant stand eachothers opinins?
Are you seriously pretending things such as
“actually no one was killed at tiananmen square and if anyone was it was soldiers who were killed by those unruly students and not the other way around.”
are mere opinion?
I see this often in debate topics. Some people seem to think that every opinion is valid and worth listening to when no, I’m sorry, that really isn’t the case. There is no need to casually try to debate people who don’t believe the existence of the literal sun, or holocaust deniers, or those who think all gay people should be euthanized.
It’s a bit of a pet peeve of mine tbh, and I’ve always run into issues like this on discussion boards, especially of the past. Those with blatantly offensive and wrong viewpoints get bitchy when others don’t want their debate topics present because every opinion can be respectfully debated. No. Yes…often two opposing viewpoints can be valid. But other times, they most certainly are not. If you’re of the opinion that child porn should be accepted for example, it doesn’t matter how “respectfully” you try to present it and yourself. Your view is wrong and you do NOT deserve a platform to speak about it.
My point is, we shouldnt act like little fighters here on the fediverse, not when there are so much positive things to focus on.
Personally I don’t think tolerating intolerance is just a differing opinion. I feel like excusing genocide puts them in a group of people i don’t want to associate and I don’t think an “opinion” like denying genocide should be sat at the same table as reality.
Don’t mince my words, I hate all imperialistic governments who commit genocide and if there were posts about the US never having intentionally killed all the buffalo, trail of tears, those culture stripping schools etc or our own version of those schools here in Aotearoa I would be just as disgusted.
We are not supposed to do anything.
Everyone is free to join any instance they think it’s good. We can communicate freely (bar a few exceptions) throughout the fediverse, so it’s not dividing users. Furthermore, lemmy.ml is overloaded, so that’s a good reason to choose another instance. The admins themselves don’t expect the majority to join that server as the primary one (they run it as the ‘flagship instance’).
Blocked lemmygrad the main reason why I picked Sopuli instead of the “main” instance
I just hope it lasts, worst thing would be if people just went back to reddit
I created my own server…
New feddit.de user reporting in
Ze Germans seem to have their own monopolistic instance
