I agree with this. Why should you have to write an essay to join a server which communites you might not even chose to interact with? Completely ridiculous
if you don’t wanna apply, then don’t apply, simple as that, just join one of the generic ones without an approval process.
the application requirement exists for a reason: many communities only want certain kind of people in their server, if you’re not a match, and you know it, then why bother even trying or complaining about it? find another one that’s your match because you aren’t their match either.
Don’t think anyone was confused about how to exercise free will. The criticism is on needing/having the process. Everyone understands why it exists. Some just think it’s a poor reason.
Yeah. I don’t know how to argue for it. It seems obvious to me that some communities have standards to keep and an open borders policy is an automatic way of not keeping those standards.
that’s not “open borders”, that’s equivalent to a visa request that will very likely be denied if the border agent decides he doesn’t like it, so my reasoning stands
I’m sorry but your reasoning is flawed in so many other ways that confronting all o the issues would require writing an essay which I have already involuntarliy started thanks to your complete idiocy. To start with: essays can easily be fabricated or automatically generated. There is no guarantee of any kind that a person is a ceirtan way because he sent some text over the internet assuring anyone of those qualities. There is no way to trust any server unless it’s invite only where people only invite friends they know can be trusted. If that’s how lemmy will end up then it will never be able to replace reddit. Having to interact with lunatics like you make me realize that lemmy is sure to die
Lemmy is worthless without users. We need people to switch from reddit to lemmy. If you get new users to belive that lemmy is not like reddit, they won’t switch. Making you write an essay to join a server will get the average person thinking that joining a server is a big deal and mak the conclusion that lemmy will be fragmented and not like reddit and promptly quit making an account on any server. You seem to have a lot of faith in people being willing to understand how lemmy works but the average person will not be idealistic and only check to see if it can be a replacement for reddit.
Your mindset is activley killing lemmy and I want lemmy to grow. Your asshole attitude isn’t helping you make your point either.
Generic users should at first join a recommended server. Those don’t require essays. If they wanna join some niche server that has “high standards” in one way or another, then they shouldn’t expect the same requirements.
If you wanna promote lemmy, suggest ppl join any of the recommended servers that don’t require essays. I see no incompatibility with mass adoption (what you propose) and some servers not allowing everyone to join. Just promote the ones that do allow everyone to join and don’t promote any list of servers that puts the essay-requiring ones at the top cuz, as you say, that will obviously make it so very few people join.
Not to mention that even after you do the essay, it takes forever to get approval on a lot of places. I signed up on lemmy.one first, and couldn’t log in for a long time…then signed up at beehaw.org. My lemmy.one account finally became active yesterday, while my beehaw.org one still hasn’t been activated, and it’s been 3 days.
Because with a federated model, servers can have different rulesets for their members, and and whitelists are an easy way of enforcing that.
Sucks for the users, good for the admins. If you have an alternative method for this, feel free to make a PR to lemmy and let server admins know of your update.
If you can’t code and don’t want to learn to code, but it’s still important to you, you can hire a developer on fiver to help you.
I would like to see lemmy succeed but I don’t care enough to spend money or precious time for it. Your way of writing makes you seem like a really unpleasant person to be forced to interact with IRL
Servers could certainly curtail or contain some of the information of their members, but then again, if those servers restrict the ability to access other communities by a large amount, the userbase of that server would suffer from a general ignorance that would effectively ruin it.
Still, I think it’s important to reflect on the unpleasantries initiated here, so bear that in mind.
They need to do away with the ridiculous manual approval process on most servers and recommend servers that forego it on the main site.
I agree with this. Why should you have to write an essay to join a server which communites you might not even chose to interact with? Completely ridiculous
if you don’t wanna apply, then don’t apply, simple as that, just join one of the generic ones without an approval process.
the application requirement exists for a reason: many communities only want certain kind of people in their server, if you’re not a match, and you know it, then why bother even trying or complaining about it? find another one that’s your match because you aren’t their match either.
Don’t think anyone was confused about how to exercise free will. The criticism is on needing/having the process. Everyone understands why it exists. Some just think it’s a poor reason.
Yeah. I don’t know how to argue for it. It seems obvious to me that some communities have standards to keep and an open borders policy is an automatic way of not keeping those standards.
There are servers with “open borders” that require lengthy essays. Your reasoning is irrelivant
that’s not “open borders”, that’s equivalent to a visa request that will very likely be denied if the border agent decides he doesn’t like it, so my reasoning stands
I’m sorry but your reasoning is flawed in so many other ways that confronting all o the issues would require writing an essay which I have already involuntarliy started thanks to your complete idiocy. To start with: essays can easily be fabricated or automatically generated. There is no guarantee of any kind that a person is a ceirtan way because he sent some text over the internet assuring anyone of those qualities. There is no way to trust any server unless it’s invite only where people only invite friends they know can be trusted. If that’s how lemmy will end up then it will never be able to replace reddit. Having to interact with lunatics like you make me realize that lemmy is sure to die
Lemmy is worthless without users. We need people to switch from reddit to lemmy. If you get new users to belive that lemmy is not like reddit, they won’t switch. Making you write an essay to join a server will get the average person thinking that joining a server is a big deal and mak the conclusion that lemmy will be fragmented and not like reddit and promptly quit making an account on any server. You seem to have a lot of faith in people being willing to understand how lemmy works but the average person will not be idealistic and only check to see if it can be a replacement for reddit. Your mindset is activley killing lemmy and I want lemmy to grow. Your asshole attitude isn’t helping you make your point either.
Generic users should at first join a recommended server. Those don’t require essays. If they wanna join some niche server that has “high standards” in one way or another, then they shouldn’t expect the same requirements.
If you wanna promote lemmy, suggest ppl join any of the recommended servers that don’t require essays. I see no incompatibility with mass adoption (what you propose) and some servers not allowing everyone to join. Just promote the ones that do allow everyone to join and don’t promote any list of servers that puts the essay-requiring ones at the top cuz, as you say, that will obviously make it so very few people join.
Not to mention that even after you do the essay, it takes forever to get approval on a lot of places. I signed up on lemmy.one first, and couldn’t log in for a long time…then signed up at beehaw.org. My lemmy.one account finally became active yesterday, while my beehaw.org one still hasn’t been activated, and it’s been 3 days.
Just curious, what’s the point of having an account at multiple? I was under the impression you could use one anywhere to use it everywhere.
you realize you can still view the communities without logging in, and decide whether you vibe with it.
also, I noticed quite a few instances had pinned posts introducing the instance to new people and telling them about what the instance stood for.
Because with a federated model, servers can have different rulesets for their members, and and whitelists are an easy way of enforcing that.
Sucks for the users, good for the admins. If you have an alternative method for this, feel free to make a PR to lemmy and let server admins know of your update.
If you can’t code and don’t want to learn to code, but it’s still important to you, you can hire a developer on fiver to help you.
I would like to see lemmy succeed but I don’t care enough to spend money or precious time for it. Your way of writing makes you seem like a really unpleasant person to be forced to interact with IRL
Thanks I guess.
You’re good.
Servers could certainly curtail or contain some of the information of their members, but then again, if those servers restrict the ability to access other communities by a large amount, the userbase of that server would suffer from a general ignorance that would effectively ruin it.
Still, I think it’s important to reflect on the unpleasantries initiated here, so bear that in mind.
I don’t speak for how server admins vet the approvals but I know for sure it helps to avoid bots. Or used to avoid bots prior to chatgpt.