I vote for Debian sid (the “rolling” version of Debian). I use it and it’s great.

By “lack of developer freedom”, do you mean “lack of ability to take the freedom you got with the code away from the next person?”

Because that’s the primary restriction with the GPL.

So the only ones who could actually go after them to force anything are the ones who originally wrote that GPL code

Not necessarily, the SFC is involved in a big case regarding Vizio about this right now.

Oh I read it was a backdoored BIOS.

Yeah libreboot would probably not help much then.

Libreboot ftw

The dip in windows is corrolated with the increase in linux

Well, yeah? The users have to come from somewhere?

Its just a measurement error

Maybe

Doubled down on being what?

Are you trying to argue that anything written here is false? Can you prove it?

Linus wrote a kernel, and GNU wrote the majority of the userspace at the time.

How is that coat-tails-ing? Both projects had a tremendous amount of effort poured into them. And let’s not forget GCC was the only free compiler for 20 years.

If people were asking for it to be called “GNU” only, then it’d be unfair. But they aren’t.

Fuck that.

It stops parts of Linux becoming proprietary, and becoming the dominant version users interact with. Comparisons with other kernels are irrelevant

Systemd likes to break standards. That’s a big reason

I think that’s GNOME’s fault. Debian allows you to do more than Ubuntu, for example by not ramming proprietary snaps down your throat when you try to use apt.

The Apple of Linux? Is that not Ubuntu?

Fuck off Poettering. Stop trying to absorb the whole system.

EDIT: apparently systemd absorbing the whole system with it’s nonstandard, monolithic nightmare is a good thing, judging from downvotes. Carry on.

KDE Plasma on a laptop whose hardware was crap when it came out in 2009, running fine:

https://drive.proton.me/urls/R5SPEKY1VG#yzKAoNQxSjXc

GNOME, slightly sluggish:

https://drive.proton.me/urls/7JD8899CH8#NlXG8uZpm0Cd

Also just checked out your “computing guide” (which is just a loose collection of info and recommendations more than a guide), and lol’d at this paragraph [brackets mine]:

F(L)OSS means Free (Libre) Open Source software, and it means that the software is freeware [eh, no? FLOSS can be paid], AND the source code that are building blocks of software, are available openly and freely for modification, reverse engineering, compilation and studying purposes. The correct way to say it, as Richard Stallman says, is FLOSS and not FOSS. [I’m fairly sure if you ask Stallman he’ll completely reject “Open Source” all together]

KDE is for kids, GNOME is for Grownups.

Uh huh. No fanboying on your part at all. Projection?

Once again, I will send you a video later today of KDE plasma running on my 1GHz single core potato (a much slower CPU than yours) to prove that Plasma can perform. Hey, maybe I’ll also run GNOME on it for you for comparison purposes. Note that I don’t inherently have a problem with GNOME, as I don’t have the mentality that “KDE is for KGrownups”.

Because I feel like with childish statements like the one above, you’re not exactly being 100% truthful. But I can back up my argument with evidence.

An integrated GPU isn’t great, but it should run alright still. I think I disabled the dedicated GPU on the Thinkpad I was running and it still ran smoothly.

I don’t know what your circumstances were with your specific laptop, but to paint KDE as, well, shit, just because it ran badly when you tried it is not cool. Especially in the face of other people who have had fine performance on the slowest of potatoes.

Maybe your CPU’s iGPU is a poor bin, maybe you ran up against a bug in something which fucked performance, maybe your HDD was failing or just slow (if it was mechanical), who knows? Point is your one laptop is not representative of all laptops.

Display server = Xorg/Wayland, not the monitor…

Is there any particular reason you felt the need to resort to insults? I like KDE for a reason, because it does what I want and it runs well. I’m not blindly devoted to it like it’s some kind of religion. Hell, I actually prefer GTK as a library over Qt due to it’s C-based nature and I used to daily drive Cinnamon, then MATE.

KDE release nomenclature is also easy. Higher number = newer.

I… know the Plasma 6 release is new? Why is that relevant? We’re both talking about Plasma 5, and Plasma 6 is basically just mega-improved Plasma 5 anyways.

You know what, if you want, tomorrow I’ll get you a video of Plasma running on my single core 1GHz potato laptop if you like.

KDE Plasma 5.6 is from 2016, genius. It is very old.

5.27 is the current version Debian is on.

And I’ve run KDE Plasma on a lot of hardware, a lot of it very old, and it’s been fine, if with slightly slow loading times (I daily drove that single-core potato I mentioned for about a year on Plasma).

I’m very sorry it felt sluggish for you but that’s likely down to your specific hardware configuration, drivers, GPU vendor + display server combo, etc. Plasma is not that bad for most people. You just got unlucky.

EDIT: Actually, if you actually somehow installed 5.6 on modern Debian with modern Qt frameworks etc, that could be why it was so slow. Could have been a fucked install.

I personally don’t, but it’s a standard Mac/Windows users are very familiar with, and the ability to add them doesn’t impact you if you don’t want to.

In other words: it’s a net-positive.

Also some people just like them

5.3 and 5.6 are both ancient :/

I’ve been running KDE for years.

On a:

• Thinkpad T400 (2009, 2.3GHz dual core)

• Toshiba Satellite (2009, 1.2(?)GHz single core)

• HP Pavilion (unknown year, model, clock speed)

• Framework 13 (2020, 4.9GHz hexa core)

• AMD A10-7700K desktop (3.4GHz quad core)

• AMD Ryzen 3 2200G (3.6GHZ quad core)

With the compositor enabled.

These all ran it smoothly. The only slow part was the loading on some of these machines.

And KDE is absolutely usable by default, it resembles a Windows desktop.