I’m a simple man, number go up causes endorphin release.
I don’t like karma. It incentivizes short, meme-y posts since those are things that get gets a lot of karma.
That’s correct. It’s also horrible for the comments section because people hate-downvote comments they disagree with, which in turn leads to people avoiding making possibly unpopular comments. It’s really hurtful to meaningful discussion.
Upload and down vote are still present, and unless I’m mistaken this comment section I’m looking at is still sorted by vote score.
Hate down votes are inevitable, I don’t think they are a result of your total number of points being displayed on your profile.
I believe downvotes can be disabled at the instance level. (Small note)
That is an issues with the up vote/down vote system.
But a good thing with that system, is that it helps to keep away hate, racism, trash and dangerous content in most of the subs/communities.
So it’s a bad for a good? Sorting by controversial on big posts often show trash and hate on reddit.
Yes but karma makes it worse. It incentivizes getting getting upvotes because you don’t want to “ruin” your karma. Expressing controversial opinions, even if they don’t generate downvotes, are discouraged with karma. Even OP says he gets a dopamine hit by seeing the karma number go up.
is that it helps to keep away hate, racism, trash and dangerous content in most of the subs/communities
No, it reinforces values and creates an echo chamber. In communities that value left wing values, it drowns out right wing values, and vice versa. I learned that the hard way.
A long time ago, I moderated a place that had lot of room for discussion, and people of opposing opinions often had discussions. I then added a scoring system, thinking it would be nice for people to keep track. But all it did was kill the diversity of opinions. People whose opinions were slightly outside of mainstream, saw their opinion getting downvoted and adapted their speech patterns accordingly, or just left altogether. Within a year, what was once a neutral idea thinktank got turned into a giant conservative circlejerk.
Long term result: polarization galore. That site tipped to the right whereas Reddit tipped to left. Either way, you’re basically ostracized for suggesting “the other side” may have a point with some things, or to try and encourage to figure out the reasoning why someone might think the way they do.
I sincerely hope Lemmy doesn’t follow that direction.
Everything else is still there in regards to how posts are shown and sorted by votes, as well as people in general just liking humor. I don’t think Lemmy is fundamentally any different in that trend.
I think it keeps the people from saying what they want or how they want to say it. I saw an AskReddit post once that asked why do people on reddit sound like the same person. Well it was because in time, in order to keep or gain karma, everyone would eventually sound like the generic user.
Well in a sense it can be a good thing to keep people from saying anything. I am not interested in seeing hate, racism and other trash content.
But in other ways it can limit the visibility of good content if it was posted too late or was not up voted enough compared to other jokes or content.
I think not having it is good, it gets rid of the incentive to make karma farming accounts that use bots to spam old reposted content everywhere to get their karma up
The problem with karma is in the big picture. A lot of actions that yield lots of karma are not contributive to the community at large:
- unnecessary reposts and cross-posts; not based on the overall contribution that it brings to the comm, but on its potential to harness votes. This makes the content of the comms less diverse and interesting for veteran users.
- moderators deleting content from other users just so they can repost it later on, to farm karma. This happens quite a bit in a certain site, disengages the users, and creates unnecessary drama.
- people stop contributing with certain discourses not because they think “this is not contributive”, but because it’s unpopular. Sometimes you need to voice a hot take on an issue, to further discussion.
- it enables mods implementing stupid/arbitrary barriers like “you need X karma to post here”, instead of pressing the instance admins to get rid of trolls and bots.
I also believe that karma is one of the big components of the Fluff Principle: on a user-voted news site, the links that are easiest to judge will take over unless you take specific measures to prevent it. It leads to shallow content.
And we might say “I wouldn’t do those things for karma!”, and a lot of people wouldn’t indeed, but the ones who’d do it would make the place less interesting for everyone.
Fun fact: while not being exactly like what karma was on Reddit, Lemmy does store the total count of upvotes-downvotes your account has received. You probably can’t see it because it isn’t shown by the frontend (the website you see), but the data is indeed there.
It’s an essential component of algorithmic sorting. Even on Reddit the total isn’t important, it’s your history of regularly getting approval or other users that counts, not the absolute number. In fact giving more weight to high karma value would just created a positive feedback loop when sightly more upvoted accounts, get exponentially more exposure and this would break the sorting algorithm.
I always ignored the numbers. I go where the chatter is. Which is why I love that I can sort by new comments, making it work like an old forum where a comment to a post pushes it to the top, so active discussion stays on the front page.
The numbers serve no real purpose other than complicating the above method of sorting by trying to add a perception of “liked” or “hated” to things that doesn’t need to be there.
Instead of anonymously making numbers go up, I need actual interaction for my brain juice.
That’s so valid of you
Well there are multiple sides to this. There isn’t a single it’s good or bad.
Reddit got very popular, and the upvote/down vote was a part of it.
A very useful thing of this feature, is the ability to hide trash and get good content more views.
However the community isn’t perfect, and some types of content can win over others, and often that winning content isn’t useful, as it’s just jokes or “funny” content.
If you were to sort by controversial in the reddit comments, and communities, you’ll often find trash and useless content. Comments or posts alike. However it’s. Not always the case, and sometimes legitimate content just gets down voted because people did not understand it or were just against that opinion.
In my opinion, if reddit were to remove the impact of the up votes/down votes and just put things as random, the content would be horrible with trash everywhere. But the little accounts may have a bit more chance to get up votes.
My lad, you’re addicted to social media
You’re absolutely goddamn right. Changing that is not exactly a priority for me at the moment.
