I don’t know how I feel about that. They both deserve to be treated like cartel criminals. NOTHING LESS.
You gotta realize criminals and street life is the same as the mainstream. Please trust me.
Agreed. Rationalizing one as being the ‘lesser evil’ is basically just shifting the Overton window. Both are evil. Both deserve to lose. If they can make each other lose that would be ideal but if only one wins, we all still lose.
It’s odd to me people think Elon is more evil anyway. He’s definitely louder and stupider but way less responsible for tearing apart the fabric of our society. And some of his projects have been a net positive.
They should both lose to death but if we’re gonna make the comparison, Zuckbot is hands down more evil.
That being said, it will still be hilarious if zucc beats the shit out of Elongated Muskrat.
Agreed, I may have more of a gut level disdain for Elon, but Zucc is clearly way worse because of the way Facebook’s algorithms have harmed society.
That’s cause Elon’s a fucking troll on top of being a douchebag. At least Zuck has the decency to try to hide it.
I feel people like Musk and Trump are more dangerous in general.
Zuckerberg, Bezos, Gates … etc. are the “traditional” billionaires. They are greedy but most of the time rational thus fairly predictable - you don’t expect them to do anything crazy.
Musk and Trump on the other hand are narcissists. They petty, vindictive, insecure, and have fragile egos. There is no telling what would set them off and how far they will go to get even over a perceived slight.
True true! Zuck was a catalyst for social media, and Elon for abused tech/science. I knew Elon was a joke the minute he talked about putting a car in space, just to test something, but back then I just got hated by reddit. It sucks that the world and space programs didn’t come after him for that.
You gotta realize criminals and street life is the same as the mainstream. Please trust me.
lmfao
Fuck Elmo but I just don’t want Meta to replace Twitter’s social media niche. I would prefer if Mastodon would be the next “Twitter” but at this point I would be okay with Bluesky too. The Meta cancer is already big enough and has too much influence.
I’d rather have a moderated site replace Twitter at this point, even if it’s run by Meta. My first choice is for an intuitive non-Meta alternative to rise to prominence, ideally in the fediverse, but I think Mastodon had its chance and its unintuitive nature was too challenging for a critical mass of lay people. It needs to be: sign up, start posting. Instead it’s: sign up, choose your server. Huh? You’re already losing people.
All this has already been covered but it has to be simple and intuitive and that’s what Threads is offering and Mastodon isn’t.
Exactly this. Anything too challenging for a third-, grader is done before it starts in terms of mass acceptance.
I think everyone in the ActivityPub hopes Mastodon is the next Twitter but other than that, it’s a tie between the all three. I think Bluesky has the best chance since it has the cleanest plate but it’ll absolute turn into a shit hole like the rest.
Cohost would be cool.
yeah people are giving too much power to a single company.
Would you happen to have an invite code?
Yeah and one for a friend too?
This sentiment is so fucking wrong. Please, for god’s sake, please understand that Zuckerberg is NOT the lesser of two evils here. Meta facilitated a genocide by artificially promoting hateful content to boost engagement, quietly and without obvious consent performed behavior experiments on its users, and so much fucking more that the two aforementioned points barely even scratch the surface.
You people are trading being punched in the face with being beaten senselessly with a baseball bat.
Add cambridge analytica as well, it used to be all over the news but now everyone already forgot about it
Don’t you know, that was Facebook, this is Meta which is a completely different company that didn’t do these things /s
No, the correct answer is “fuck both of them”. You don’t need Twitter, you definitely don’t need Threads.
You don’t even need Mastodon for that matter. You don’t need a constant drip feed of dopamine. If you need to stay informed, you can just use news sites or something.
We need discourse. News sites are largely owned by rich men and corporations.
hmm, that’s a fair point. I have heard things about independent journalists making use of platforms like Twitter and Tiktok. I wonder if independent journalists have begun to adopt Mastodon as well, or just decentralized social networks in general, to share their news.
You can’t make real journalism in a few hundred characters or in a 10 sec video. But there are lots of bloggers with their own websites.
Meh, they just end up making it a series of posts / videos. If someone’s risking their life by doing shit like going into an active warzone and using social media to keep the public informed of what’s going on, doesn’t that probably count as “real” journalism, regardless of what online platform they upload to?
Meh, they just end up making it a series of posts / videos. If someone’s risking their life by doing shit like going into an active warzone and using social media to keep the public informed of what’s going on, doesn’t that probably count as “real” journalism, regardless of what online platform they upload to?
There are enough independent journalist networks out there, but they only inform, there is usually little to no capability for discourse, so yeah
hmm, that’s a fair point. I have heard things about independent journalists making use of platforms like Twitter and Tiktok. I wonder if independent journalists have begun to adopt Mastodon as well, or just decentralized social networks in general, to share their news.
Content creators need them though, specially artists.
Tons of artists, specially japanese, are actually moving to mastodon and misskey right now, which is a great sign.
fair enough. that’s pretty dope ngl
Don’t they just use pixiv or booth or something
You need a more general platform to expand your audience
There are situations where lesser evil is the best available choice, but this isn’t one of them.
Yeah, exactly. Literally a “false dichotomy” moment.
Yeah, exactly. Literally a “false dichotomy” moment.
But… my dopamine… But serious, I think lemmy or in the before time reddit is already filling most of my media need already, it amazes me that people can use social media that much and don’t burn out.
It’s definitely not worth it. Zuckerberg is the bigger fish here, at least within the social media domain. Meta’s threads replacing Twitter would make them even more powerful than they already are. I don’t like Elon, and it’s crazy that he somehow managed to make Twitter even worse than it was, but we really don’t need Meta to grow even larger.
Yeah exactly. Once the Zucc also reaches out for Tumblr, the last bastion of “Ugh, we don’t want Corpos here”, we’re done. We need to stop both Eloy and Zucc even before that. The Fediverse needs to fight an active war, we’re already living the Cyberpunk Dystopia.
Yeah, if we were still talking about the cage match of be fine watching that weird meat puppet beat musk up, but for social media I think we loose either way.
That’s like rooting for Himmler to win because you hate Hitler.
I’m losing my mind!!! Ahhhhhhhhh people are so fucking stupid
Do you not know what analogies or metaphors are? Like, you do know that the person you replied to wasn’t comparing either of these men to Hitler or Himmler, right?
The usage of the analogy by definition implies a comparison of some kind.
Otherwise, wny use it?
To exaggerate and make a point? To rile people up and ruffle some feathers? The comparison isn’t between the two of them and the two Nazis, the comparison is between the two of them.
No no no, those are valid, sure, but they wouldn’t be possible without that initial comparison.
The comparison isn’t between the two of them and the two Nazis, the comparison is between the two of them.
There’s the implication that they’re both “evil” or “bad figures”, which is the entire point. The analogy itself wouldn’t be that great otherwise
Yeah, the implication is that their bad or evil, but I don’t really see it as comparing them to the Nazis. They just exaggerated for effect and used the most extreme example of “evil” they could think of to make a point.
At least that how it seemed to me.
how about both twitter and threads die and the people win?
But then whose boot do we get to lick?
Forgive me, but is the answer “Your mom’s”… ?
You can lick my boots. 😉
Are you a trillion dollar conglomerate? Didn’t think so
If you want to kick some boots, get a partner and lick theirs, or just lick your own.
I tried to lick my own boots but I fell off the couch.
I want them both to lose. Twitter dying would be in some ways, a victory for the people. But giving zucky more control over people’s lives is a horrible idea, especially when you take into account meta’s past. But we don’t have much say in what happens there, so we gotta learn to fight back.
Threads is banned in Europe which will probably leave a lot of people sad, if you ask me that’s the perfect opportunity to advertise mastodon and other fediverse projects to your friends, family, etc. Talk about it on bigger platforms if you still have an account on them, engage with posts and videos about the fediverse and how to use it so we can get them into the algorithm. Every little bit helps, we can do this.
I want them both to lose.
I read this one sentence and immediately imagined a Celebrity Deathmatch type scenario where Mark and Elon and beating the shit out of each other, but in the end Jeff Bezos shows up and just drops like Scrooge McDuck’s entire vault on the other two billionaires and claims the victory.
Please put warnings for spoilers
Trading one asshole billionaire for another is a losing game. The only losers are users of these services.
It’s like two giant Mecha robots fighting while a crowd of fans of one or the other are cheering on the ground and being squished.
ngl, i’d rather twitter wins since it’s imploding already so it will hardly survive for much time after it beats threads down
Yeah there’s nobody taking the Zucc down a peg. Dudes a literal machine.
Why not both? Can’t we hope enough stuff leaves twitter to hasten it’s demise and that threads implodes after a short period of over inflated reports of success?
So here’s what we do: we let Threads kill Twitter. Then, when Twitter is dead, we kill Threads.
‘we’ = 500k people or so
‘them’= 2 fucking billion people
In the fight against one evil should we really join another evil to do that
No, but the satisfaction of Elon throwing a huge tantrum outweighs Zuckerberg making a successful app, for me
No. Meta needs to die.
Lesser of two evils has never gotten us anything but evil.
this one isn’t even a lesser evil
I would agree, I’m just pointing out the logical flaw.
In fact I’d argue Zuckerberg is worse, if only because he already owns so much of the digital landscape and most people use FB to federate with other stuff.
Elon is meme’d as being the big bad here but in reality he’s running his first website/social media company against a guy who essentially developed the modern model and already owns another massive SM site as well as his new Twitter clone experiment in addition to the foundational website he still possesses.
Greater of two evils also doesn’t seem very successful.
still don’t want zucc to win, tho
