This doesn’t have to be on or off. Don’t think “shut down”, think “draw down over time”. So instead of an immediate collapse, you get improvement over time.
I mean, that’s what they did in fact. Same with serfdom in Russia. Official slavery was ended, but in fact there would be plantations with workers being mostly black and being paid almost nothing.
And now the U.S. is facing a second civil war because material conditions have largely unchanged, and the slavery issue is still unresolved, because of those attitudes.
What would it take you to prioritize other people’s rights over your desires for cheap shit?
I’ve actually done a lot more traveling than most humans anywhere will in a lifetime. On foot. Across half a continent. I rebuilt my life from literally nothing and now have some measure of wealth.
I am your walking, talking, right-wing American dream and I am telling you your defense of this evil system and this evil society is immoral and you’re not going to convince anyone to adopt your beliefs, or convince people to withdraw, or stop consensus against it from forming, or convince anyone to just accept it.
No one here is going to accept it. We are going to change it. We are going to take back control of our legal system from you and pass laws banning stuff you want, like prison labor, child abuse, slavery of any kind for any reason including wage slavery, restructure the economy to actually take care of the American people without them having to pay much if anything for it. All of those things and more, because we accept that that’s fair and just.
I’ve seen cities completely destroyed by homelessness, drugs, rampant income inequality, and kept down by governments in collision with big businesses and the cults they formed to justify and defend their behavior – of which you are a part. I scraped my way out of destitution myself and I know no one else should ever have to go through that. So I know the others are right, and you are wrong.
Most people do that at least once. Some never do though, but that’s what’s called a wasted life.
your defense of this evil system and this evil society is immoral
First, thieves won’t teach me morality, naturally, second, no person under this post has even tried to reach the point in conversation where I’d be able to say what exactly I would defend in systems and societies.
Which means …
Say, if there’s a murder, and if you are a suspect, who can’t be proven to be the murderer, but you actively destroy the evidence ascertaining who that is, then it becomes likelier that the murderer is you.
If you are using manipulative or aggressive tactics in a conversation, trying to give your opposition as few chances as possible instead of as many as possible, - then because of this alone you’ve discredited yourself and your point of view and you’ve lost. (No, it’s not a subject for a vote)
Most of this text is your attempts to describe me instead of myself. Which is worth less than used toilet paper. Also usually called a strawman argument.
And you’re really powerless to stop us.
Now this is the main emotional message you are carrying.
I don’t know whether the literal statement is true, however since you have to persuade yourself that your enemy is powerless, and I don’t, being fine with my enemy being possibly stronger than me, possibly hopelessly, - I think it’s wrong and I am not.
This doesn’t have to be on or off. Don’t think “shut down”, think “draw down over time”. So instead of an immediate collapse, you get improvement over time.
Should they have “drawn down” slavery over time too last time around, to make it easier for their enslavers to adjust?
I mean, that’s what they did in fact. Same with serfdom in Russia. Official slavery was ended, but in fact there would be plantations with workers being mostly black and being paid almost nothing.
Ah, well, that makes it ok then.
gtfoh
I’m just saying that your reference to this is underlining a similarity, not a difference. And abolishing this gradually is better than not at all.
And now the U.S. is facing a second civil war because material conditions have largely unchanged, and the slavery issue is still unresolved, because of those attitudes.
What would it take you to prioritize other people’s rights over your desires for cheap shit?
This seems a very weird view of the USA level of life. A guy here advised me to travel and see the world, thinking that I’m an American.
I guess I’ll pass on that advice to you.
I mean, how many countries there are where you can actually live on welfare?
Okay, let me tell you a little story then.
I’ve actually done a lot more traveling than most humans anywhere will in a lifetime. On foot. Across half a continent. I rebuilt my life from literally nothing and now have some measure of wealth.
I am your walking, talking, right-wing American dream and I am telling you your defense of this evil system and this evil society is immoral and you’re not going to convince anyone to adopt your beliefs, or convince people to withdraw, or stop consensus against it from forming, or convince anyone to just accept it.
No one here is going to accept it. We are going to change it. We are going to take back control of our legal system from you and pass laws banning stuff you want, like prison labor, child abuse, slavery of any kind for any reason including wage slavery, restructure the economy to actually take care of the American people without them having to pay much if anything for it. All of those things and more, because we accept that that’s fair and just.
I’ve seen cities completely destroyed by homelessness, drugs, rampant income inequality, and kept down by governments in collision with big businesses and the cults they formed to justify and defend their behavior – of which you are a part. I scraped my way out of destitution myself and I know no one else should ever have to go through that. So I know the others are right, and you are wrong.
And you’re really powerless to stop us.
North American continent, let me guess.
Most people do that at least once. Some never do though, but that’s what’s called a wasted life.
First, thieves won’t teach me morality, naturally, second, no person under this post has even tried to reach the point in conversation where I’d be able to say what exactly I would defend in systems and societies.
Which means …
Say, if there’s a murder, and if you are a suspect, who can’t be proven to be the murderer, but you actively destroy the evidence ascertaining who that is, then it becomes likelier that the murderer is you.
If you are using manipulative or aggressive tactics in a conversation, trying to give your opposition as few chances as possible instead of as many as possible, - then because of this alone you’ve discredited yourself and your point of view and you’ve lost. (No, it’s not a subject for a vote)
Most of this text is your attempts to describe me instead of myself. Which is worth less than used toilet paper. Also usually called a strawman argument.
Now this is the main emotional message you are carrying.
I don’t know whether the literal statement is true, however since you have to persuade yourself that your enemy is powerless, and I don’t, being fine with my enemy being possibly stronger than me, possibly hopelessly, - I think it’s wrong and I am not.
Same with the 3rd reich. Draw down the butchering so the butchers can do it just a little longer?
Right? No rush…
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