I just said we pay. You seem to think I’m talking about Sync.

I’m not. Technically, I guess I could be talking about both server and sync.

What I’ve seen on Lemmy is I can say I paid for Sync and donate to the server and someone will need to come along to tell me all of that money should go to Lemmy.

That’s too either/or. And it’s making Lemmy look… incapable of nuanced thought. Or entitled.

It’s not everyone, but it’s common enough it looks really odd.

We pay.

You assume.

It’s junior level reasoning.

No… no sync users donate. They used ALL THEIR MONEYZ to buy the app.

/s just to be sure

That’s not just a feeling. They professionally cherry picked facts to try to generate outrage. And threw any context out the window along the way.

I have never seen a website so consistently entitled. It changes my sympathetic view of the left into a need to self reflect and maybe ensure those sympathies get solid, unwavering boundaries.

No one is entitled to other people’s stuff. We can credibly argue whether value is flowing to the right places, but that’s not what I’m seeing on lemmy in sync-bash posts.

He can pay. He chooses not to, then acts like staying in SF is a grand show of loyalty (no one else will rent to him, he’s a deadbeat).

He’s pure gift who has managed to have companies that work despite him. He’s the Zaphod Beeblebrox of business. But both heads are empty.

I appreciate you answering the question and being brave enough to step forward to do so.

I think what’s been confusing me is why so many lemmings feel they need to tell us which UX to use and whether we should value it one way or another…

They’ll say, “use what works for you” but… “it’s should be (almost free).” Making an absolute value judgment, no caveat or allowing for other tastes or bank accounts.

It’s just bad form. If it confuses them, I get it. Strict adherence to FOSS confuses me. But we can talk that through.

But I’m not going to tell them that they’re doing it wrong or that they’re objectively valuing FOSS incorrectly.

But that keeps happening to Sync. I appreciate you answering the question and engaging.

This need to continually tell us that we’re wrong for supporting the app and dev is mystifying to me.

It’s like me telling everyone to stop funding the instance because it’s paid through the end of the year. Even mentioning that the instance was/is healthy feels like poor form.

But if people aren’t sure the instance will endure, the engagement may not persist.

Yet lemmings have stirred the doubt-pot, too. The instance deserves support. The dev deserves support. Labor, any labor, cannot be expected to be free.

That’s my moral line. You may have another one. That’s fine. The above is my opinion, not objective fact.

I just don’t get the need to keep shitting on people enjoying an app or paying for it.

This is why lemmy may die.

It is not free. It’s not close to free. You can use it for free because someone else is subsidizing your use.

But the money comes from somewhere.

It’s good to see this point being made.

There’s a lesson here: people are willing to pay good money to participate on lemmy. What applies to the app may (I’d hope) apply to servers and development.

Sync user and server supporter, here. Hope we only grow in number.

You’re misrepresenting that post.

Par for the course.

The only moral “obligations” I’ve drawn are: Treat people civilly or be ready for incivility Have enough sense to mind your own fucking business.

I’m not going to tell you you’re wrong for shopping around the free stuff. And you shouldn’t tell me I shouldn’t be happy having found something I’ve liked for years. Or call me a sucker. Or be derisive.

But arguing with fools is a fool’s errand. Have the last word. Just don’t embarrass yourself.

I have nothing against FOSS. Good things have been done.

I have an issue with people acting like if it isn’t FOSS it is morally wrong. You may not have done this, but it’s a vibe I’ve seen more than once here.

That and a notion that the app should be free. That’s fine, but if people are “saving money” I hope it goes to the servers or lemmy devs.

In short: an undercurrent to some FOSS posts has seemed to be entitlement, not just a desire to see FOSS thrive.

I haven’t seen 1 person tell someone that they should get Sync and act like it’s a moral obligation to do that one thing.

I’ve seen people say they’ve felt that they felt happy or obliged to support the dev, but that’s not the same.

What I have seen on Lemmy, repeatedly, is stunted little “adults” waltzing around moralizing about things that they feel they should feel about.

It’s like watching left leaning fundies worry about “the wrong gender” using a restroom. It’s just not something worth spending hours telling people they’re doing it wrong.

It is, however, worth telling the arbitrary gatekeepers that they’re not going to be successful.

To return to point: I’m not hung up on downvotes, but they are an objective metric. That comment of mine got 3 downvotes. 3. That’s not in anyway indicative of a lack of cogency or being in left field.

Bro, you make lemmy look like the average IQ can only go up. As can the discourse.

Ohh and i don’t care about downvote, this isn’t reddit anymore, time to grow up.

Finding out who you’re talking to is actually… kind of a lot more mature than, “Wat?”

God I’m looking forward to lemmy now.

Thank you. The social dysfunction I’ve been seeing here is staggering.

Been here since well… Spez spez’d. So happy to have Sync for what I can use it for and the promise of full function.

He’s a good dev. This is a lot of change for this poor little instance to process as a deluge of us all geeked out at one time.

We gotta donate to the server tho. Not enough to get the app.

Apt name.

My post had 3 downvotes (meh), so I’m taking that to mean it made sense.

What part of it didn’t make sense to you? The part where I indicate you’re playing innocent while throwing shade? People can see your post history.

What I’ve generally seen is if you say you like x then it flies and may even collect upvotes nicely.

Couch it in fanboi and it goes differently. Myaterious.

Just own the hate. It’s more honest.

All the self righteousness of lemmy is strange.

There’s not just better opinions, even small decisions are morally imbued and if someone steps out of line…

Wait, does using sync cause hurricanes? Earthquakes? Will the four big ponies of the lempocalypse arrive and snort angrily?

Otherwise, I get that a surge of people elated they have something you don’t/can’t have is off putting. FOMO is real.

But it doesn’t need all the meme-shade.

FOSS = principled free software without obligation because the labor was “donated.”

That’s what I’m learning on lemmy. It’s blowing my mind.

Edit: exiting to make sure I’m understood. I get FOSS. I understand it’s role. What I’m learning is there is a while corner of the internet determined not to spend money on software.

And feeling significant moral outrage if someone else does. It’s bizarre. I’ve seen religious people less zealous.

No, no, no.

This is the lemmyverse. We’re against people being entitled to cheap/free labor*

*until on the winning end

This reads a bit like, “I support both sides but one side is kinda on thin ice and a slippery slope.” Or, “respect your elders.”

The hand wringing belies your neutrality.

No one, that I’ve seen, has said FOSS has no place nor have I seen it disrespected except that people grow tired of the gate keeping.

The pricing isn’t up 10x. The lifetime ultra isn’t 100 USD. It is expensive to many and I won’t dispute that.

I’ll make an alternate argument. If people can afford sync, I’m hoping they can afford to support lemmy and/or servers. And if that’s the case, what’s the beef?