I mean, “it’s shit” is technically discussion but I was hoping for more too lol

I can see how you got there, but I’m actually not saying you need to understand any programming languages at all. If the code is out there, and the product is worthwhile, the community can and will vet it.

Like I responded to the other guy, you put a level of trust in anything you use. You can pay for a product and expect polish and support, or you can go the open source route, the DIY hobbyist route, and expect to have to do more yourself. You might have to do research on a product before you trust it. This isn’t a radical concept to me. If I was putting together an RC car, I would do research on the motor to make sure it was unlikely to fail catastrophically.

??? You quoted my comment with ‘reputable’ in it. You put a level of trust in anything you use. Reputable companies are unlikely to fuck your shit up with bad software. It happens - not trying to say it doesn’t - but again, you have to trust somewhere.

Honestly, no. It’s your job to vet the software you run. If it’s open source, you had every chance to make sure it wasn’t going to irreversibly break your system ahead of time.

Alternatively, you could pay money for a solution from a reputable company with support.

Whoosh

I apologize if I offended you or otherwise indicated hostility with my “yes…?”. I felt my position was clear and unchallenged by your reply. I’d also point out that you made assumptions about my opinions prior, which while it didn’t really bother me, could certainly change the temperament of discussion.

I do think it’s important to have a clear point in a debate though and I don’t see that you have presented one. From what I gather, you value cooperation in society and disagree with pure capitalism. For what it’s worth, I actually agree with both of those points and feel the same. I’ll respect your wish to leave it here and wish you the best of luck.

I asked you what would be different under your preferred alternative to capitalism and you’ve responded with policy from other capitalist nations. Perhaps the ideas you have presented are not solutions to capitalisms failings but instead just good ideas that can coexist within a capitalist society. I’m really not sure I understand your point but feel free to clarify if you’d like to continue the discussion.

Yes…? We are aware of how bad we’re being fucked. We saw the Panama papers. Rich people dodge taxes with loopholes. War is waged to line pockets. Senators practice insider trading. Huge, major problems exist with capitalism and of course, we can’t know the full extent. What do you think would be different under your preference?

I think you’re speaking to a young person who has a lot of heart, just misplaced. The lower class and middle class are much closer together than they realize. You handled yourself well.

Absolutely. Greed will always exist and evil people will always take advantage of others. May as well lay everyone’s cards on the table.

Programmers are problem solvers 🤷‍♂️

I’ll stand by my original point, but I do agree that the global consciousness is everything you stated. It’s also young. It skews hard toward the younger generation who grew up with it currently. Very interested to see what it’s like in the future when everyone uses it grew up with it. Probably still shit TBH - humanity really sucks ass in a lot of ways - but I do think it will mature somewhat.

I’ll also agree that we are in desperate need of philosophical and sociological advancement. I think it’s important to keep in mind they’re not mutually exclusive; we can and are working on both at the same time, and technological advancement can help or eliminate issues in the other areas mentioned.

You can’t stop progress. And we shouldn’t try to. We do need to address serious, solvable social issues in the world though, and technology can and has facilitated that in the past. Medicine is technology, remember. Humanity is absolutely equipped to make much use of augmentation, but I will not pretend there are no downsides. The tech will be used for both good and evil and that’s just nature. In all things, balance.

I can’t boil augmentation down to materialism. Think further than chopping off your limbs and replacing them with sweet robot arms, you’ll find a world of questions that are hard to answer and put you face to face with what it means to be human - something we are often too comfortable in our daily lives to do.

Too little to gain? There is everything to gain. Human capability is what brought us this magic rock in our hands that we poke to operate every part of our lives from finances to relationships to shopping and we use it to communicate with the world. With the internet, cheap mobile phones, and wireless tech, humanity has given itself a global consciousness through sheer ingenuity and genius, and now we’re on the precipice of the AI age. Significantly enhancing human capability isn’t mind blowing to you? It’s just materialism? The good and bad that may come from augmentation… It’s overwhelming, honestly.