Wtf does that even mean?

Pretending that production for profit and production for need is the same thing is fallacious - end of story.

All I’m trying to do is explain to you that resources are finite and too many people will burn through them.

You still haven’t managed to justify the right-wing trope of “overpopulation” - pretending that the vast majority’s consumption is (somehow) the problem isn’t proving it, merely regurgitating it.

the white people that slowed down the most.

Sooo… you have figured out that in a capitalist society access to women’s healthcare is merely another commodity - and, thanks to colonialist pillaging and repression, white people do tend to have more access to that commmodity?

You don’t say.

Population projections for the world do not show a decline.

No… it shows a trend towards stabilization - which, just by itself, demoslishes the entire concept of “overpopulation.”

Unless of course you take the lack of resources into account…

What lack of resources. Resources being hoarded by a capitalist elite was as true in 1950 as it was in 2023 - so how does that affect the trope you are trying to justify?

Water used for industry is still going to be used regardless of who controls that industry.

Absolutely not. Pretending that capitalism doesn’t work the way capitalism works is a certain dead-end for your argument.

they just don’t have a means to act on it.

That is one piss-poor justification for the status quo.

Population growth has slowed but it has not stopped.

The people at the top aren’t worried about population growth these days, Clyde - they are worried about population reversal. You wanna know why?

Whether Malthus himself was a right-winger or not isn’t really important… it doesn’t change how the trope of overpopulation has been used to protect power and privilege (ie, the whole point of right-wing ideology). For instance, there is a very good reason why white supremacists support the criminalization of women’s health care in (supposedly) “white” countries while demonizing 3rd world countries for their (supposedly) “explosive population growth.”

It’s a very old trope that flattens human consumption and therefore camouflages the reality that certain classes of people consume resources at astronomical rates in comparison with the rest. It’s utility in shielding class hierarchies from scrutiny should be perfectly obvious.

The article says rich people are using 2x as much water as poor people domestically.

FTFY. That’s just household use, Clyde. We haven’t even started with the water usage that makes the rich rich - ie, the private ownership of industry and commerce (which, of course, externalizes the destruction of water resources).

That’s hardly out of the realm of possibility considering the population already has gone up 8x since 1950

That kind of population growth is a thing of the past. The only way to successfully reverse that would be by design - such as the measures taken by certain aspects of the US political establishment to enforce patriarchal norms through institutionalized violence (ie, the criminalization of women’s healthcare).

You do you.

This…

All things being equal (and that’s the important factor) there is next-to-no chance of us ever reaching such a bizarre amount of people

…just went completely over your head, didn’t it?

What standard of living do you consider “all things being equal”?

I don’t consider “standards of living” - period.

I consider this.

Oh, there probably is. All things being equal (and that’s the important factor) there is next-to-no chance of us ever reaching such a bizarre amount of people - you could triple the amount of people on earth, and, all things being equal, we still wouldn’t be “overpopulated.”

However, things are not equal - which means we are already existing way beyond that which our ecology can support. And it’s all thanks to capitalist parasites - a very small group of people sucking everything dry at the expense of everyone and everything else.

Well now you did.

So now what?

You read that correctly.

“Overpopulation” is a right-wing myth.

Then… nothing.

The USSR, Cuba, PRC is better

You’re going to have to name examples where the working class actually controls the means of production - it can’t actually be socialism otherwise, can it?

Granted there are many industries that don’t have good competition

Funny… it’s almost as if capitalists talk about “competition” a lot to justify their parasitic existence - but in reality they absolutely seem to hate the idea of competition. Must be purely my imagination, though.

He bought real estate

In other words… nothing. Do you have any real examples of capitalists being anything other than parasites?

The USSR did have great amounts of innovation

The USSR allowed the innovation that suited the CPSU’s interests. In the exact same way, the US only allows innovation that suits the interests of the ruling elites - that’s why you can buy an expensive new smartphone every month but you can’t buy a cheap lightbulb that will last you thirty years that is based on hundred-year-old technology. Humans do not require "incentivization* to innovate - in fact, capitalism’s need to repress innovation that doesn’t suit the interests of a capitalist elite is thoroughly understood.

It is crazy how the USSR didn’t implement any solution except rewarding innovation to drive innovation.

See the answer above.

I think that people also recognize that capitalism needs some good amount of regulation

The myth that you can “fix” capitalism through regulation is pure propaganda.

but it sure as shit better than any socialist or communist nation.

Nope. There are lots of people in the US that sure wishes they could have Cuba’s healthcare system - and Cuba’s healthcare system isn’t even socialist nor communist.

If you’re gonna make enemies with the most powerful nation

The US is “most” at a lot of things - none of them are worth bragging about. And it has utterly failed to crush socialism even within it’s own borders, never mind anywhere else in the world.

Scratch a liberal a fascist bleeds” has to be one of the most ridiculous things

Really? Liberals are invested in the maintenance of the status quo, but aren’t willing to do the dirty and bloody work that the maintanance of the status quo requires… fascists are. It’s a match made in the deepest pits of hell. There’s nothing new about this - the liberal Weimar regime climbed into bed with fascism right from the get-go to crush working class revolt. It’s the same reason the liberals USians vote into the Waffle House are more interested in “reaching across the aisle” than actually doing anything to prevent white supremacist terrorism.

Who else will protect the capitalist world order for you, liberal? You? Who did you think maintains the murderous exploitation in the 3rd world that makes your glorious 1st world existence possible? It’s fascists, genius… your precious world order cannot be maintained without them.

If a fascist regime rises, it’s only because a liberal regime came before it that loosened the ground for it to grow.

There’s nothing cringier than right-wingers who pretend they aren’t right-wingers… ie, liberals. For people who can be called leftist with a straight face, “liberal” is quite the insult.

Wanna see what MLK had to say about liberals?

I didn’t assume you’re an idiot - I did assume that not everyone on here is familiar with a hundred-years worth of anarcho-syndicalist theory, okay?

I don’t think the person I was responding to is ready for this level of analysis, okay?

The factory has owners.

Fuck the owners.

but all systems describing this type of agreement to date have resulted in terrible outcomes.

Prove it.

It will destroy competition.

What competition?

a high value to society are not rewarded

What value does Donald Trump bring to society?

The incentive is gone.

Prove it.

These are issues that no text has reconciled.

Prove it.

work if you brainwashed people generationally

You mean completely unlike people brainwashed into believiing “capitalism gud?”

Having possessions is such a basic human construct

Stop conflating simple possessions with private property, genius.

why socialism as a whole crumbles.

Socialism seems perfectly alive and kicking to me - despite the uncountable amounts of treasure spent violently crushing it.

See my reply later in this thread for examples of real incremental changes. no change whatsoever.

FTFY.

Encouraging employee owned companies is where it’s at.

What did you think “seize the means of production” meant?

But to be honest I’m not sure how you would incentivize that.

Oh, that’s simple - you get rid of the police.

other than edgelord tankies

Maybe you shouldn’t use terms if you don’t understand them, liberal.