Cython

What are you talking about? Microsoft is charging for HEIF, HEIC, and looking to do it with AV1 and AVIF. Intel started development of EFI in the titanium days as a new standard for servers running unix before it became an open standard. Microsoft wasn’t the only one involved in the standard but apple, redhat, hp, Intel, amd, and a laundry list of hardware/software manufacturers.

Most all the innovation happens in enterprise space with servers running unix/Linux. User operating systems are an afterthought when these features are initially conceived.

I guess you had to be there, he has some very fun videos. His garbage time videos are a lot of fun if you like watching people mess around with shit boxes. And if you’re into drums, he has the drum thing too.

I guess if you’re boring and like watching others play games you could just play yourself. There’s hello, I’m gaming. He tries to make it more interesting but it’s gaming so.

You really should check this guy out tho. He’s heaps fun to watch!

I think it’s worth it too. People are just weird about paying for a product that supports individuals creative ambitions just because a company takes a cut. Admittedly better content than streaming services most the time anyway.

This whole argument ignores xwayland and the fact that new features are added as a standard of Wayland literally every day.

For as long as xwayland is supported you can use your old apps. Wayland actually supports different window icons for multi window apps. But Wayland has always supported window icons, kde just had an annoying bug they finally fixed. Chromium and electron apps kinda just didn’t support window icons very well in wayland for a while.

For accessibility, it’s been broken on Linux for literally years but there’s an active effort to make it better and more universal than it ever could have been on x11. The effort of building a fully featured accessibility stack is being led by the gnome team with help from the free desktop organization and kde.

This is my last response, this conversation isn’t going anywhere anyway. I’m not the one transitioning the Linux world to Wayland, I don’t see why you could blame me for it anyhow.

Your arguments kinda weak, no offense. I do have a solution for you though. If you want to stick with a version of Linux that’s guaranteed to support xorg for eight years, I’d recommend Rocky linux! When that reaches EOL I guess you could just stay on it.

Enterprise plans on being fully switched over to Wayland by the next major version. You won’t be able to install xorg on redhat for example. The biggest contributors to xorg(Enterprise) are going to shift focus to xwayland to support legacy software on wayland.

Besides it’s exciting finally catching up to truly hardware accelerated desktops like Mac OS 10.0 and windows vista. At its heart xorg is a purely single threaded software accelerated bitmap based windowing system from 84. They’ve had to rewrite small but incredibly complex chunks of the code just to try to keep up with the modern world. Just look at the history of 3D acceleration in x11.

Your free to give it a good go though! The very same team that actively maintained xorg threw in the towel ten years ago when they diverted resources towards a new windowing protocol and they’re not going back.

If developers drop off there’s not much we can do. It’ll eventually have to be removed or become a bigger security risk than developers say it is already.

Support on the x server itself has dropped off precipitously since Wayland hit the mainstream and most small x11 DEs are trying to build off of WM like wayfire or wlroots.

I don’t think kde plasma was the only one. Anyway, it just feels natural for xwayland to stop pushing for feature parody and for focus to switch over to Wayland after a while.

The biggest target for developers is the Ubuntu/Debian platform so their switch to Wayland should motivate other projects and paid applications to at least take notice.

New projects will try to support both but typically will focus more on Wayland. There’s already an unintentional incentive to partially support xdg protocols Wayland relies on thanks to flatpak.

They’re already starting to go that way, in a couple years Linux mint is even going to support Wayland. Ubuntu and fedora has already defaulted to Wayland. Fedora is actually deprecating xorg in a few releases. Budgie wants to have full support next year.

There isn’t much more than the testing they already have to do every release. Infact not having to support legacy code will free up resources for the whole Linux community as well as cutting the time in half for validating packages on distros. Every package that runs on xorg also runs on wayland, they have to test both.

Granted some have custom tools they’ll be working on but it’s going to be a while before every major DE supports Wayland. I’m curious, you think the distros have to implement their own version of Wayland?

Once the desktops switch to Wayland and all distros ship with Wayland by default, support should slow.

Ideally, developers stop improving xwayland over time and go into maintenance mode for a bit. Once it goes into maintenance mode, developers should naturally fall off as it winds down.

If every desktop makes a very public announcement about the xwayland protocol being put into maintenance mode, actively supported apps should switch over. It’s up to the public how long they want to keep maintaining xwayland (open source etc).

It was the only way I could tell how much time is left, I didn’t have a phone till highschool. In school counting down the second till school was over was so crucial.

For a second there I thought you were hating on the guy.

You joking? 😆 I don’t want to discourage you from giving rust a try but come on. Have you ever talked to a developer that spent any real time with rust, anyone that got as far as multi threading?

So long as it survives rusts complexity and lack of portability. I’m always down for more options!

That or the free internet as we know it will be dead by the time it reaches production.

Can’t wait for ladybird to come out! Finally something that speaks our language.

I like my system 76!

Oui oui

I thought it was funny,