How could you achieve communism or socialism without authoritarianism?

Same way the Neozapatistas have done?

Are they better, though?

I mean, last I checked, Wikipedia is far more accurate than most encyclopedias professionally assembled. And, to add to it: Wikipedia is certainly well sourced, and admits its biases quite openly, and in fact are working to correct those biases.

So, what Chinese-based wikipedia alternatives are out there? And I mean, communally owned, maintained, and edited encyclopedia, which, quite frankly, is one of the best examples of a communist endeavors one can find on the internet at this time…

I prefer hearing about it from Marxists far closer to the source, and using China’s own information they publish:

https://www.cpiml.net/liberation/2020/08/chinas-concentration-camps-for-uyghurs-in-chinas-own-words

we have child labor in the US too. It’s not legal

A lot of child labor in the US, is in fact, very legal.

From the age of 10-15, working papers can be issued allowing children to deliver newspaper, hawk products on corners, and do limited farm work.

From 15-17, working papers can be issues allowing children to pretty much do any job, with some limitations on hours, and tooling they can use (ie, no automatic sharp tools, like slicers).

Now, these are for my state. Some states are far more exploitative, such as Georgia, where kids as young as 13 can work a fast food joint.

“And our tests have concluded, that this is, in fact, a lie.”

You mean how both China, and the US propagandize their citizens? Yeah, I’m fully aware of that already. All states will do it, as a system of control over the working class, in order to continue to exploit them.

I mean, if controlling the people wasn’t the goal, whats the purpose of the oppression of a state?

China…

https://www.cpiml.net/liberation/2020/08/chinas-concentration-camps-for-uyghurs-in-chinas-own-words

If I have bad credit in the US, I don’t get locked out of riding the bus

You might!

I know a lot of areas are switching to digital-only bus fares, and those, of course, require a bank card or credit card…

Guess what can lock you out of getting those, and thereby, riding on the bus?

There’s also no credit-score check in the US for job applications, so no, it doesn’t “lock people out of finding work.”

Do you live in the US? Lots of employers run credit checks as a part of their normal background checking. I’ve see people fired for bad credit scores.

It’s too bad the people of China aren’t allowed to edit Wikipedia, and correct the facts, because of their oppressive state.

People of the US and China are both unsure of what to believe about the other, because both are so propagandized lol

lol, ok.

It wasn’t a “mutiny” it was a labor strike. And, speaking of which, how does a “Mutiny” happen in a classless society of liberated workers?

And it involved much more than just 300 arrests bro…

Kronstadt, as one example.

Is is Marxist to murder workers for daring to go on strike?

China is a socialist state that established the dictatorship of the working class

Weird, because I don’t seem to think there’s any of the working class liberated there, like at all?

Just more capitalism. When do you think there will be some working class liberation there?

I wonder what goes through your mind when you say state capitalism

I imagine a system that is capitalist, and ran fully by the state, at the best of oligarchs. Which is exactly what China is.

Capitalism is a system where the means of production are privately owned, and people who own the means of production exploit the workers who sell their labor to increase their wealth.

Yep, China ticks all of those boxes.

In contrast, state owned industry does not exist to create wealth for a capital owning class, and the work that’s done has direct social value.

Ah yes, we should let all the people of China know that all that wealth is actually theirs, and they are fit to use it as they deem fit, even if Xi disagrees.

It’s quite obvious that you have not based on the fact that you don’t understand the basics of the subject you’re debating.

Get back to me when China actually liberates anyone in the working class.

If you understood China at all then you would know that they are in fact communists. But it’s very clear that you have an incredibly superficial understanding of the subject.

Ok, I’ll bite. What makes you think China is a communist state?

I do know what communism is, and I also understand that the fact that we live in a world dominated by capitalism that nations led by communists must exist within.

How does one have “nations led by communists” that are fully state-capitalist societies?

Seriously spend a bit of time educating yourself instead of clowning around here.

Oh, I have spent a LOT of time educating myself… Its the main reason I understand that China hasn’t even been socialist since the 1970s or so, Russia hasn’t been a socialist society since the late 1910’s, and the way of the socialist revolution never starts with “Making a state bigger”, because it almost immediately gets usurped for a new set of oligarchs that love using socialist words.

Oh, I understand China enough to know they aren’t communists. Communism isn’t “Whenever the state does things” or “Whenever the state gets bigger”.

I’m sure you can figure out how google works all on your own

I’m sure I can, however, I cannot see any large levers of power either of those governments have over people not inside of their national borders.

And, to be honest, I’m not sure how much either of them are “communist”, since communism requires a stateless society in order to be considered “communist”.

Like, do you even know what communism is?

Communists haven’t held power in China in a very long time… If they did, they wouldn’t be a state capitalist society.

And how have the Vietnamese and Cuban governments censored your speech lately? And what reach would you say they have on social media?

Where and who are these communists you’re referring to?

I asked like this, because it’s generally a hallucination, as communists have no real power over others, anywhere on this planet. So, it’s a logical impossibility that you could have experienced any kind of censorship done by communists.

US Government doesn’t own AT&T, and yet, they have their fiber splice in AT&T’s building, in order to spy on all international communications.

because the communists,

Show us on the doll where the communists touched you…