Victor

found it not to be true after careful consideration

Jesus Christ bruh. What a tool.

Man, you just have some sort of chip on your shoulder. I tried my best to be nice to you but you’re just an asshole, I guess. Bye.

fellow European

Seems like you’re Palestinian. That might explain why you are possibly thinking irrationally about this add this is a very sensitive subject for you. But please try to act rationally. I’m not talking about the conflict. I’m pro Palestine/against war/conflict. But try to act reasonably. Stop putting words into my mouth and accusing me of shit. (Also Palestine is not in Europe. But maybe you’re an assimilated migrant to another country by now.)

And I like to have conversations with people who don’t bait others into a debate by playing innocent.

🤷

Well, let’s hope you don’t find someone like that. 🙄 Good day.

There’s no “innocence” without the implication of some form of guilt. Simple concept.

So you are seriously thinking I have some sort of agenda that I want to “bait Americans” into some kind of discussion where I get off (sexually?) on this. That’s the gist of it?

Have you heard of Occam’s Razor? Have you considered that it might just be the way I’m actually telling you? That I’m just curious about what Trump’s stance on Israel is, like I told you? Why is that so implausible to you?

You seem to be getting off on this conspiratorial thinking waaay more than I am, IMO. Because I’ll tell you, I am loathing this conversation with you. 😕

baiting Americans into the discussion

That’s… pretty much what I’m trying to do, yes. I’m trying to get an American (probably), who knows what Trump’s stance on Israel is. But other nationalities are also fine, just as long as they know the answer. I was just curious. But if it comes with all these preposterous accusations, I’d rather Google it. Otherwise I like to have conversations with humans rather than ask Google. It’s more fun. More social.

🤷‍♂️

innocence

What is there to be “guilty” of? What is this obsession of yours? I’m just confused here… I’m saying I don’t know Trump’s stance on Israel, and would like to know what it is, and you’re claiming I’m “guilty” of actually knowing that but I’m pretending not to know? Do you hear how absurd that sounds? Why would I do that?

Please tell me I’m misunderstanding what your claims are here.

In my case, it means I’m not trying to debate with anyone or sway opinions. And it means I’m not following statements made by American politicians very much. So that’s why I’m hoping someone who is kind and knows more will tell me. Someone already has, so I’m satisfied here. 🙂

If you still think I’m acting, so be it. 🫡

Are you really asking out of curiosity? The thread title is about not voting for Harris.

Yes, I am. I’m not a supporter of either one. I’m in northern Europe.

I don’t know, I’m just speculating. I’d like to find out though. Why is my curiosity under investigation, lol?

Very interesting.

But hold on, I was under the impression that the government donates military materials to Israel. What do they stand to gain financially or politically from supporting Israel, really? This is what I don’t get, honestly and genuinely.

Like I said, I’m asking out of curiosity, not to make a point, so this is not whataboutism. 👍 I’m a European citizen so I can’t influence anything, I’m just trying to learn here.

You’re absolutely right, in an ideal situation.

But as you also said, “we are talking about Harris supporters here”, so my original comment is kind of irrelevant to the topic of the post, probably. I’ll stand down in this context. 😁

Or of curiosity, what’s Trump’s stance on the genocide? Isn’t he equally pro/complacent? Or has he voiced his discontent with Israel in any way?

Then again, pragmatically, voting for the lesser evil of the two could make a big difference when voting for another candidate or not at all could have zero effect. ☹️

That logic should apply to Trump as well. 🤷‍♂️

Whatever. It sucks ass is the point.

Misanthropy involves a negative evaluative attitude toward humanity that is based on humankind’s flaws. Misanthropes hold that these flaws characterize all or at least the greater majority of human beings. They claim that there is no easy way to rectify them short of a complete transformation of the dominant way of life.

I thought this was quite interesting. I think I agree very much with

there is no easy way to rectify them short of a complete transformation of the dominant way of life

but not so much with

these flaws characterize all or at least the greater majority of human beings

I just think these flaws characterize all or the greater majority of human beings that possess a relative amount of power. That’s the real problem. Or perhaps the real problem is that power itself transforms humans and gives them these flaws. I’m not sure if it’s the chicken or the egg, kind of thing.

It seems tangential, perhaps? Like, accepting the fact that nature is going to kick our asses eventually anyway, is what you’re getting at? Let me know if that’s what you were thinking. 🙂

Holy hell. That was out of a clear blue sky.

Take care, bud. 🩵

Yep, that is indeed exactly what I was asking. 👍 The ideology that humans should be exterminated.