@SeaJ@TheBlue22, although there are participants from the extreme left on Lemmy.ml, it is a good site. I prefer, like anyone oriented to the left of the political spectrum with a social ethic, this field than one oriented to the extreme right and fascist, of the social networks that we all already know. You can argue with those on the left, with the fascists it’s not possible, in any case, if you don’t like it, just ignore or block the corresponding instance.
@BraBraBra, neither China nor any other country today is what should be praised as a political ideal. China is certainly a totalitarian regime, but in comparison it is no worse than the US, Russia or others where the greed and lust for personal power of an elite prevail over the common good.
Political ideology is one thing and quite another to find where it is applied and not just nominal for the public.
Yeah, this does seem like a kind of inaccurate generalization.
Does this mean you honestly wouldn’t have a preference if you were dropped into a random “place” in one of these countries’ societies and had to live the rest of your life there?
It’s easy to say “Hey, plus a few ethnic cleansings, minus an intentional lack of economic development in favor of political corruption, plus a couple of highly extractive, insecure, and immoral sets of socio-economic conditions… and I mean we’re all basically the same, amirite??”… But while each country’s civil society is kinda fucked in some fundamental ways, they seem like unique ways that are hard to compare “apples to apples”.
EDIT: Having said that, the issues in each country strongly depend on dividing lines between various “peoples”, and a manufactured assurance that your conditions are the best that they could possibly be, so…
The US is far from perfect, but we are not currently committing a genocide against our citizens. We have a terrible for-profit justice system, but it’s not a genocide.
And, I can’t believe it needs to be said, but a country commiting a genocide is worse that a country that’s not.
In an immediately seen sense, the US is not really committing a genocide. However, the corporations that control the US through lobbying and bribes and whatever else are literally destroying the planet past the point where humans can survive. So, while before we all burn your living conditions might be better, the country is working towards a far greater death count.
True, but let’s be real here: it’s only true, because you started the genocide much earlier and at this point in time are basically done, besides when some holy site or other is in the way of building an environment destroying pipeline and necessitates a belated mop up operation on a scale small enough to be largely overlooked, especially by corporate media who couldn’t give a fuck about any genocide that can’t be used to further a profitable agenda anyway.
@_danny, simply the US Health System is a silent genocide and reason for the most part of homeless people.
The Social System of US is one of the worst in the world.
Any country has its corpses in the basement and China is certainly not an example of an ideal society, but the US is not one iota better, quite the contrary.
@_danny, not against the own people? or genocide? US not in the own population ('?, see history), but until now in more other countries worldwide than any other country. Don’t paint the US as the good in the world, it’s far from this. If you speak about worst countries speak about North Corea ore some other countries, which ar “friends” of the US, or South American Countries where the US destroyed a Democracy
There is a second part of the video about homeless people
@BraBraBra, genocide is ALWAYS condemnable and the vast majority of countries have committed it throughout their history. But it is fallacious to establish oneself as the best and beacon of humanity because others were worse. It is with this hypocrisy that we must end. The worst genocide is capitalism, because it is going to end all of humanity. “Communism is the bad guy in the movie”, it is mere politics of fear to be able to continue the atrocities of the former. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history
I would condemn genocide anywhere just the same. Fuck your whataboutism bootlicker.
It’s not about who’s the best or who’s faultless, it’s about where genocide is currently happening and where it’s not. This is very simple. I outright reject your attempt at semantic bullshit and will not engage with it because it is blatantly dishonest.
@BraBraBra, currently Afghanistan, Irak, Iran and Israel, with a little help and as cause of the USA, with their weapons. Same in South America where they destroied Democracies for economic interests.
Fuck the genocide everywhere, in this I agree with you, but this, blame your own house before you do it with others, China isn’t the only evil in the world, the USA isn’t a iota better, apart of worse for the own population in their daily life.
The topic was China and CCP apologists. Why on fucking earth would I stray from the context?
And also, there is an entire culture of tankies. They tend to be vocal in their support of fascist regimes and their rejection of reality. This is why anti china rhetoric tends to come up so often, because there is a vocal group of people who are pro ccp, who claim there is no genocide etc. That was the context you fucking shit for brains. Then everytime some fucking tankie in disguise like you needs to come along with your stupid goddamn whataboutism like it isn’t blatantly obvious what you’re doing. Fuck off back to your safe spaces you winne the pooh cock sucker.
Lemmy.ml was started by tankies. It’s more pro-China (aka state capitalism/corporatism) than it is Marxist though.
@SeaJ @TheBlue22, although there are participants from the extreme left on Lemmy.ml, it is a good site. I prefer, like anyone oriented to the left of the political spectrum with a social ethic, this field than one oriented to the extreme right and fascist, of the social networks that we all already know. You can argue with those on the left, with the fascists it’s not possible, in any case, if you don’t like it, just ignore or block the corresponding instance.
China apologists are scum of the earth and deserve to suffer in ““reeducation camps””
@BraBraBra, neither China nor any other country today is what should be praised as a political ideal. China is certainly a totalitarian regime, but in comparison it is no worse than the US, Russia or others where the greed and lust for personal power of an elite prevail over the common good.
Political ideology is one thing and quite another to find where it is applied and not just nominal for the public.
Yeah, this does seem like a kind of inaccurate generalization.
Does this mean you honestly wouldn’t have a preference if you were dropped into a random “place” in one of these countries’ societies and had to live the rest of your life there?
It’s easy to say “Hey, plus a few ethnic cleansings, minus an intentional lack of economic development in favor of political corruption, plus a couple of highly extractive, insecure, and immoral sets of socio-economic conditions… and I mean we’re all basically the same, amirite??”… But while each country’s civil society is kinda fucked in some fundamental ways, they seem like unique ways that are hard to compare “apples to apples”.
EDIT: Having said that, the issues in each country strongly depend on dividing lines between various “peoples”, and a manufactured assurance that your conditions are the best that they could possibly be, so…
The US is far from perfect, but we are not currently committing a genocide against our citizens. We have a terrible for-profit justice system, but it’s not a genocide.
And, I can’t believe it needs to be said, but a country commiting a genocide is worse that a country that’s not.
In an immediately seen sense, the US is not really committing a genocide. However, the corporations that control the US through lobbying and bribes and whatever else are literally destroying the planet past the point where humans can survive. So, while before we all burn your living conditions might be better, the country is working towards a far greater death count.
True, but let’s be real here: it’s only true, because you started the genocide much earlier and at this point in time are basically done, besides when some holy site or other is in the way of building an environment destroying pipeline and necessitates a belated mop up operation on a scale small enough to be largely overlooked, especially by corporate media who couldn’t give a fuck about any genocide that can’t be used to further a profitable agenda anyway.
@_danny, simply the US Health System is a silent genocide and reason for the most part of homeless people.
The Social System of US is one of the worst in the world.
Any country has its corpses in the basement and China is certainly not an example of an ideal society, but the US is not one iota better, quite the contrary.
@_danny, not against the own people? or genocide? US not in the own population ('?, see history), but until now in more other countries worldwide than any other country. Don’t paint the US as the good in the world, it’s far from this. If you speak about worst countries speak about North Corea ore some other countries, which ar “friends” of the US, or South American Countries where the US destroyed a Democracy
There is a second part of the video about homeless people
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Obviously China is worse. The West isn’t perfect, but China is about as bad as a country can be.
Blah blah blah, both sides. Fuck off. In a conversation about condemning genocide this is really inappropriate my friend.
@BraBraBra, genocide is ALWAYS condemnable and the vast majority of countries have committed it throughout their history. But it is fallacious to establish oneself as the best and beacon of humanity because others were worse. It is with this hypocrisy that we must end. The worst genocide is capitalism, because it is going to end all of humanity. “Communism is the bad guy in the movie”, it is mere politics of fear to be able to continue the atrocities of the former.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history
I would condemn genocide anywhere just the same. Fuck your whataboutism bootlicker.
It’s not about who’s the best or who’s faultless, it’s about where genocide is currently happening and where it’s not. This is very simple. I outright reject your attempt at semantic bullshit and will not engage with it because it is blatantly dishonest.
@BraBraBra, currently Afghanistan, Irak, Iran and Israel, with a little help and as cause of the USA, with their weapons. Same in South America where they destroied Democracies for economic interests.
Fuck the genocide everywhere, in this I agree with you, but this, blame your own house before you do it with others, China isn’t the only evil in the world, the USA isn’t a iota better, apart of worse for the own population in their daily life.
The topic was China and CCP apologists. Why on fucking earth would I stray from the context?
And also, there is an entire culture of tankies. They tend to be vocal in their support of fascist regimes and their rejection of reality. This is why anti china rhetoric tends to come up so often, because there is a vocal group of people who are pro ccp, who claim there is no genocide etc. That was the context you fucking shit for brains. Then everytime some fucking tankie in disguise like you needs to come along with your stupid goddamn whataboutism like it isn’t blatantly obvious what you’re doing. Fuck off back to your safe spaces you winne the pooh cock sucker.