I mean like even if someone is for example criminal or scumbag they are still human and hoping for someone to die or make jokes of someone’s loss of life isn’t right. Or does someone think it is justified? I think it’s morally wrong.
It’s dark comedy for a tragically comic situation.
By definition, I’d say all of the jokes are in very poor taste, which is what makes them so funny. The specifics of this particular tragedy practically call out for grim comedy: Safety shmafety, Logitech, Blink 182 getting sucked into the spotlight, etc.
I do think that all the chatter about the disaster has underscored some critically important points:
Billionaires are just as stupid as everyone else. They are not exceptional people in any way.
If you’re not a deep sea oceanography expert of any sort, you should keep your undersea adventures to much shallower waters.
“Hey Personal Assistant, can you give me the dirt sheet on this submarine company? I’m thinking of visiting the Titanic.” Would have saved lives. Those tickets to an undersea adventure were a quarter of a million dollars per seat. I’ve done better due diligence buying a ukulele online than these halfwits.
The way I see it, making jokes about this kind of thing is a fundamentally human reaction. People often react to grim scenarios with humor, consider all the jokes about things like wars that exist- and being trapped in a failing submarine is a pretty grim thought that people might seek to distract themselves from by twisting it into humor. I don’t think joking about an event like this that resulted in deaths is the same thing as wishing for people to die, they are, after all, already dead, and uncomfortable as the thought is, the dead are not as far as we can probably know capable of taking offense to anything. There is no possible harm that jokes or anything else can do to them anymore.
Obviously I would consider it pretty rude to joke about it around someone who knew one of the deceased, since you can at least cause emotional distress to those people, but I don’t see a problem with joking about it on the general internet.
Another thing to consider is that some of the jokes have been mocking the quality of the sub itself, rather than the people on board (save for the ceo I guess). If you cheap out on stuff and that decision kills people, I think it’s perfectly reasonable for people to mock you over it.
I dunno. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes right? Don’t get me wrong, it’s still tragic what happened to those people, but I don’t have much sympathy.
I’m with you. I make fun of people who walk off of cliffs while trying to get that perfect selfie. Individually, it’s very sad. But they were also excessively stupid.
Added to this is that the occupants of the sun are not, on any way, sympathetic individuals. They weren’t doing it to feed their family, or to flee oppression, or to advance scientific knowledge. They were people so rich they paid ten years of normal-people wages for a joyride to look at a ship that is the graveyard from a hundred year old tragedy. And the leader was a fake-it-till-you-make-it slimy, rich businessman who lied about his abilities and contacts and flaunted every regulation put in place to keep people safe.
I also make light of it because my job, as a licensed professional engineer, is to make sure the places people live and work are safe. Safe in a hurricane. Safe in an earthquake. Safe in a blizzard. Safe when they’re dancing with friends in a nightclub. I see people- businessmen with greater love for money i their pocket then their respect for the lives of others- try and skirt the regulations which are written in the blood of people from our past. I fucking hate people like Stockton Rush because he’s a danger to himself and others and he lies and uses his family’s amassed wealth to circumvent the very process which attempts to give everyone a fighting chance. I can be sad for the son who was rightfully scared to go, or for the explorer who may have been duped as to the crafts safety but I’m personally thrilled that Rush is no longer living on this earth and am sad that his death, in particular, may have been painless.
Yeah I get your point and get it that people don’t maybe have sympathy for them, bur making fun of anyone’s dead crosses the line, at least for me.
Ah, that’s because you’re a decent human being with a conscience! I guess it depends on what you consider “making fun” of them. For me, I would want to make sure I’m being respectful to those who are now grieving., but ridiculing the stupidity and hubris of some of those involved seems fair game to me.
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When it comes to tragedies, the number of fucks I give for the victims follows a simple formula.
I start with a billion fucks. Then I subtract the combined net worth of the people affected by the tragedy. The result is how many fucks I give about their tragedy.
For this one, I’m at about negative three billion fucks.
Yeah, fuck them billionaires
Personally, I think it’s all about the balance.
There are a handful of affected families and millions cracking their own jokes. No one (hopefully!) is harassing the victims’ families.
Admittedly, my moral perspective is, apparently, a little skewed. I find it mind boggling that we as a culture have normalized sweatshops to make almost everything and children mining and dying to make our phones but draw the line at jokes. Just seems weird, like a plantation slave owner chiding me for saying “damn.”
“Tragedy will be exclusively joked about because my empathy is bumming me out”
-Bo Burnham
Also the only person I feel bad for was the guy’s 19 year old son.
Also the only person I feel bad for was the guy’s 19 year old son.
Very emphathic, mr. Child Eater :)
I think it’s hard to just handwave and say “meme bad”. These are some of the people I’ve come across with it:
First the easy one, edgelords online want to rile people up. I personally don’t care, engaging them at all is just encouraging them. There are worse things to make memes about IMO, this is not one of them to get riled up over.
Second, people who genuinely don’t care about this and think it’s ridiculous the media covered it so much. I’m half in this boat, there are way more newsworthy things to cover than 5 people drowning in a custom made sub on a mission that they literally signed away their life to do. However,
Third, people who see this as a tragedy. The other half of me is here, at least one of the people genuinely wanted to see the Titanic. Which, maybe it’s hard for us to understand the price tag, but if you had a dream of seeing it since you were a child, wanted nothing more than to see it, and were offered it, would you? And if not, if someone offered you a trip to see what you wanted to more than anything else in the world, would you want to? Go step on the moon? It’s like if someone offered you the ability to literally go to a fictional place, then that 250k doesn’t seem so much, if that was your once in a lifetime must do once and exactly once, if you saved up for 20 years. Those are the people I mourn.
Fourth, and I think this is a small group, people who are legit sad but treat humor as a coping mechanism. I think a lot of people forget about them, they aren’t trying to make situations like this into something controversial, they just cope differently, and that’s okay.
I find myself making fun of the engineering, but I think it’s a defense mechanism. I’ve had a pretty strong interest in the Titanic since I was a kid, and if I were offered the opportunity to see it, I think I’d be more likely to go. And it’s scary to think I’d end up on a vessel that wasn’t designed to do the thing it advertised it can.
How much did the people who went actually know about the sub they were on? How common is it to sign a waiver about dying to go on a commercial sub?
It’s easy to laugh with hindsight, but it’s scary to think what could have happened if I were in the position to choose to go.
Well put comment :)
Did these folks make fun of Kobe Bryant and his daughter?
No? Sorry for my ignorance, but I don’t understand what this has to do with the question I asked. Do you mind to elaborate? I’m serious and I’m not trying to act like dickhead, so sorry if I have offended someone.
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Yeah I know that, but I don’t get it how this is related to some people making fun of couple billionaires losing their lives in pretty horrible way. And again sorry if I offend someone
He was just making a reference about people laughing at dead people. Simple as that.
